Serial Fiction Novel/Movie Recommendations
Oct. 5th, 2009 07:07 pmSeveral people in A&E have suggested that I write a game supplement on how to mirror serial fiction from other media in gaming. it's a topic that is near and dear to my heart, so I am seriously considering it. For examples from existing media I can readily draw on
Super-Hero Comic Books: Chris Clairmont's first few years on X-Men (for an example of a good extended arc, devolving into subplot kudzu); Paul Levitz's last few years on Legion of Super-Heroes (likely the best example of braided plot structures in the genre), and Grant Morrison's run on Justice League (to show the transition from the 12 issue annual story to the more recent 8 issue story better suited to trade paperbacks), plus a few others.
Television: Buffy the Vampire Slayer (for seasonal length stories with asides to the villains); X-Files (for an ongoing story with no asides); Star trek: The Next Generation (for episodic stories linked by repeating subplots [Borg; Lore; Worf's Family Honor])
Movies: Star Wars (The original trilogy, which breaks down neatly into 12 sessions, counting the preludes for the main PCs)
Books: The 87th Precinct novels; Various Diskworld series (the watch books and the Lancre books).
Obviously I want more in the movie and book departments, but I don't know what to add. I want the examples to be well know, well done and still accessible to the reader. They should also lean to what people consider 'gameable'
I suppose I could include the Harry Potter books, but I also wanted something currently ongoing that didn't have as strong an end point (likewise, no Amber). Are the Dresden Files worth reading in this regard? The Anita Blake books? I don't want to start something that everyone acknowledges turns to trash in book 3+. I'd consider the Vlad Taltos books, but the achronological order of them makes it harder to examine beat structures and character growth over time.
As for the movies, I don't want things that were one successful movie followed by a couple of unprepared for sequels (such as the Indiana Jones films), and I obviously want to avoid things like the LotR adaptation.
Any advice or suggestions of where I should apply my analytical skilz would be appreciated.
Super-Hero Comic Books: Chris Clairmont's first few years on X-Men (for an example of a good extended arc, devolving into subplot kudzu); Paul Levitz's last few years on Legion of Super-Heroes (likely the best example of braided plot structures in the genre), and Grant Morrison's run on Justice League (to show the transition from the 12 issue annual story to the more recent 8 issue story better suited to trade paperbacks), plus a few others.
Television: Buffy the Vampire Slayer (for seasonal length stories with asides to the villains); X-Files (for an ongoing story with no asides); Star trek: The Next Generation (for episodic stories linked by repeating subplots [Borg; Lore; Worf's Family Honor])
Movies: Star Wars (The original trilogy, which breaks down neatly into 12 sessions, counting the preludes for the main PCs)
Books: The 87th Precinct novels; Various Diskworld series (the watch books and the Lancre books).
Obviously I want more in the movie and book departments, but I don't know what to add. I want the examples to be well know, well done and still accessible to the reader. They should also lean to what people consider 'gameable'
I suppose I could include the Harry Potter books, but I also wanted something currently ongoing that didn't have as strong an end point (likewise, no Amber). Are the Dresden Files worth reading in this regard? The Anita Blake books? I don't want to start something that everyone acknowledges turns to trash in book 3+. I'd consider the Vlad Taltos books, but the achronological order of them makes it harder to examine beat structures and character growth over time.
As for the movies, I don't want things that were one successful movie followed by a couple of unprepared for sequels (such as the Indiana Jones films), and I obviously want to avoid things like the LotR adaptation.
Any advice or suggestions of where I should apply my analytical skilz would be appreciated.
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Date: 2009-10-06 12:46 am (UTC)From your comments above re serialized media I'd be interested in your take on the Dresden Files (with the caveat that there's a RPG based on this currently in play-test) and Ed McBain's 87th Precinct novels.
And what about all those great Republic and other "Saturday Morning at the Cinema" serials like Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, Manhunt on Mystery Island, Undersea Kingdom, Daredevils of the Red Circle, etc.?
As for TV and film...hmmm...Tales of the Gold Monkey? The Prisoner? Magnum P.I.? Kolchak the Night Stalker?
[And what about that largely un-mined media territory such as anthology series like The Twilight Zone or The Other Limits for fast one-off gaming sessions?]
If you extend your media to include radio serials, there's always such items as "I Love A Mystery" and the 5-part "Yours Truly Johnny Dollar" serials.
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Date: 2009-10-06 05:36 am (UTC)For the Vlad Taltos books, read in publication order.
I'd be curious to see what you think of the Cain / Godchild manga series, but I'm not sure it's worth your while.
Would the Oz books be worth checking out?
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Date: 2009-10-06 10:48 am (UTC)For TV -- as much as I hate to advocate the Fox network for anything, Bones is great from an investigator standpoint and has some interesting main characters with "history", and while NCIS is getting a little tired it is another where both the buildup and moveforward can have some pace to them...
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Date: 2009-10-07 02:54 am (UTC)You could also look at the Nancy Drew / Hardy Boys / Bobbsy Twins type series, I suppose.
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Date: 2009-10-08 04:02 am (UTC)Do you want non-sf examples?
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Date: 2009-10-12 09:50 am (UTC)For movies, the only franchises I can think of with enough "episodes" are horror flicks.